with an instruction to weeks ago yesterday, which we applaud, having to do with supply chain integrys steve. -- integrity. what links these is we lack the resources in the united states to solve the problem. today we have divergent policies directives, not intentionally so, but that deal with the matter of reducing the cost of services the department has to buy through the efficiency memo essentially juxtaposed through the need of this expertise. the question is can you marry the efficiency memo and the new instruction on supply chain so we do not lose the talent that resides within the department, much of which is older men and women who will leave? >> i think we have got to continue to emphasize this area. expertise in this area is something that is not easy to come by, and you have got to build people who know the systems and have to understand what is involved with it, and it is something generally in government service we build expertise only to have it moves on, and then we have to recreate it all over again, and that is a terrible mistake. what we have got to do is build expertise an